Jesus fuck. This thread is still going? You guys do realize that this was originally posted in November of 2007, so it's basically five years old, right? This thread has been active just as long as the original surge of punk ('77-'82!) While this thread has been around, good bands bands have been formed, released albums, and broken up! Every album by The Star Fucking Hipsters has been released after this thread was started!

So, is G.G. Allin relevant still? We're still talking about him.

my affection for GG is based 99% on the music, pre 86. That's when he started getting lots of press and started the whole circus act and the music really took a back seat. He also started taking it all really seriously, with his "mission" and "readings". He was at my apt once in 88 or 89 and would not shut up about his "mission". I'm sittin there with my idol (musically, that is) trying to figure out how to get rid of him, it was a real conflict for me/.

But from 78-86 the music fukkin rocks. The "You'll Never Tame Me " era scumfucs is just about my favorite rock music, period. Raw, casual, funny, intelligent lyrics and propulsive and melodic punk rock with a twinge of blues and country. Awesome. Listen to Bite It You Scum (not live, "studio" scumsfucs version) or "You'll Never Tame Me", just great songs. I saw him at Lismar Lounge in 87, he got through a whole 1/2 hour set and it was just great. He had a compelling presence on stage when he wasn't doing stupid attention grabby stuff.

(08-13-2012 06:47 AM)luckycto Wrote:  I had to put up with the antics of GG at shows in the 80's and to this day almost 20 years later I still am happy to have pissed on his head. It gave me a certain satisfaction to degrade him and let him know that he is not a punk rocker at all just a poor excuse for flesh that made true punk rockers look bad.

For many years a group of us would go to his shows in Long Beach, CA with the singular hope he would make good on his promise to shoot himself on stage. He never did but many of us truly devoted to the beliefs of punk never stopped wishing for his untimely demise.

IMO GG is someone who not only made the punk rock scene look bad but also used it to hide from most normal people that he should have been committed to a mental facility.

for anyone that defends GG at all let me ask:
Has any one of you had the displeasure of meeting him?
Have you ever been to one of his train wrecks (shows)?
Do you know what PUNK ROCK is? (and no it is not just being yourself or going against the grain, Bad Religion reference)
Would you pay good money to see a show that had no coherent message to relay or even worse end prematurely because the idiot, drunk, and mostly incoherent lead singer passed out.

If you answer yes to any of these questions please stop reading, strip yourself of whatever punk label you gave yourself, and start educating yourself about what punk rock is cause GG has never been nor will ever be a punk rocker.

Oh thank you Lord Punk for telling us what is and isn't punk. Education on being a punk? That's one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Good job pretending to be a non-conformist, yet being the ultimate conformist by sticking with the "guidelines" of punk that make people conform to a strict set ideas. How very punk of you to define it in the strictest sense. You probably are they type who calls people poseurs for not following the pathetically tired punk dress code. Most music doesn't have a coherent message because its about the music, not about spreading their politics and ideas to the masses. The only thing that matters is if you find the MUSIC appealing.

Thank you thank you thank you.

Punk to me has always been the music and the DYI can do attitude. You know, Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland "lets put on a show!!!".

The punkest song I know: During the Depression in the 30s the govt asked 2 songwriters to write a song to cheer people up. They came back with "Brother Can You Spare A Dime". Check it out, think of the context. Try to overlook the style, listen to the words.

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OP has a point -- GG was cool unitl he became a carnival act, post 86. The musci totally took a dive

(10-12-2012 03:42 PM)hndsmepete Wrote:  Oh thank you Lord Punk for telling us what is and isn't punk. Education on being a punk? That's one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Good job pretending to be a non-conformist, yet being the ultimate conformist by sticking with the "guidelines" of punk that make people conform to a strict set ideas. How very punk of you to define it in the strictest sense. You probably are they type who calls people poseurs for not following the pathetically tired punk dress code. Most music doesn't have a coherent message because its about the music, not about spreading their politics and ideas to the masses. The only thing that matters is if you find the MUSIC appealing.

(10-08-2012 11:24 PM)Jay Decay Wrote:  So, is G.G. Allin relevant still? We're still talking about him.

Ofcourse he has been relevant to the punkrock scene. People still buy his albums, download his shows here. I may even say GG is becoming quite popular again here on PT.
Personally i don't like his style of shockrock, but he did set his mark on the scene, you simply can't ignore that. Dead or Alive, the music still lives

I think a lot of people have not heard his better songs, pre 1986.

When I talk to people about his I ask what do you think of "Gimme Some Head" or "ScumfFuc Tradition"
and they don't know the songs, they usually have just heard the more recent (geez, 1993 is recent to me)
"shock rock" era stuff".

I will try to make a little sampler to download, like "my primer to Good GG".